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Thursday, July 29th, 2010
2:57 pm
[ginga270]
TL;DR & Questions about the Yatagarasu.

So I've been writing this ridiculously long fanfiction about the Yatagarasu of Ace Attorney: Investigations, since I felt the sudden urge to fill in the blanks about their past and I'm in love with their whole tragic backstory and all of that.

But it's difficult, and every time I look up info on them or even just casually read some wiki article about them, I get smacked in the face with a fact that contradicts what I thought was the canon with them and wa-la, I get stuck with a bunch of revising sessions and frustration. So let me ask you awesome people and trouble y'all with my useless TL;DR...

...in a long and unnecessary explanation and questions that are all chock full of spoilers.Collapse )

...TL;DR, just what are all the real, hardcore facts about the Yatagarasu, because everything seems so vague and unclear? And of course, what are your own thoughts about that awesome three-man thieving team? I'd love to hear anyone else's ramblings on them, positive or negative, even if they don't answer my questions about them. TL;DR's what this community's all about, isn't it? :D


Friday, June 11th, 2010
12:09 pm
[mc_bomber]
To OC or not to OC?
I've been wondering about this for a while now, and I would appreciate any insight you guys have to share.

Since Ace Attorney is full of outrageous canon characters, where do you draw the line for OCs in fanfic? What helps an OC to 'blend in' with canon characters and successfully integrate into an AA story, and what instantly disqualifies an OC as a Mary Sue? Are there any fics that stick out in your mind where an OC was written especially well?

(For clarity's sake, by 'Original Character' I'm referring to a character that plays a major role in the fic, not just an author-created client/detective/whomever that only gets mentioned in passing.)
Monday, March 15th, 2010
9:37 pm
[tellezara]
AAI thoughts
Somebody somewhere was saying there should be some AAI meta. Here, have some!

AAI thoughts (Spoilers 5-1 to 5)Collapse )

So yeah, would love to hear other people's thoughts, hope you all enjoyed the game too!
Sunday, April 5th, 2009
4:53 pm
[fanbeatsman]
characterisation. IN BED.
So I have a huge chunk of thesis staring me in the face, which means naturally, all I want to do is start a meta discussion. About sex, because I have a one-track mind like that.

Generally, in RL, there's not really a necessary, exact correlation between a person's dominant personality traits, and what they're like/what they like in bed. Not to say that there's no relationship at all between the two things; no doubt there usually is - but it's usually a bit more complex and unpredictable than, say, uptight person likes to take control of sex (or even the reverse). Characterisation in fiction, though, usually sees people a bit more schematically than they actually are - most approaches to character seem to stress coherence, seeing people as collections of either causally or conceptually related traits and experiences.

My question, then, to those of you who write fic about/involving sex: given that these games obviously never show how their characters like to fuck, how do you personally decide what a character's like in bed? By which I mean both how they're likely to behave/think and what they're likely to do/like/dislike/refuse/prefer.

corollary questions...Collapse )

Or feel free to answer any questions that I haven't asked and you think are more interesting :D

I'm talking mostly about specific, individual sexual behaviours here, rather than sexual orientation - but I suppose the corollary question to this would then be, given that there's probably even less of a straightforward relationship between personality/history and sexual orientation, in the absence of any decisive evidence, how do you decide on a particular character's sexual orientation (or asexuality)? Would you consider anything fair game, or at least workable, for any character, or do you think that some characters are more plausibly queer/straight/homo-, bi-, hetero-, a-romantic asexual than others - and if so, why? I tend to think that anything's workable when it comes to orientation, usually, and yet I do find myself instinctively feeling that, for example, Klavier is more plausibly queer than Apollo, which I suspect says more about my preconceptions than anything else.

Anyway, have at it, guys; I would love to hear your thoughts.
Friday, February 13th, 2009
5:45 pm
[fanbeatsman]
long-ass thoughts on genderswap, I has them
So. Thanks to Takarazuka, a fic I'm trying to get written, and the trend that swept the kinkmeme recently, I've been thinking about genderswap a lot of late, and as always happens when there's something in fandom that both interests me and baffles me, I wanted to try and get some meta going. I suppose I'm bringing a discussion question rather than an essay: why do people write genderswap fic in this fandom? What can you do with it, what can you make it say? Which I'm asking not from a kind of incredulous, wtf are all you people doing with your Femnixes and Girlshoes etc. standpoint, but just to hear other people's perspectives - because I do get the appeal of genderswap in this fandom (like I said, I'm writing some myself), but in a fairly narrow, specific way, I think, and I'd be interested to hear what it does (if anything) for other people, or your wild speculation about everyone else's motives for writing it, and what you'd do or like to see done with it (including see it disappear completely?).

my own thoughtsCollapse )

Current Mood: nerdy
Monday, January 19th, 2009
2:25 am
[sabinelagrande]
[MOD]
Y'all. College. Brain dead. Etc. Apologies.

This week, we indulge in Girl Talk.

To what extent is fandom a female space? Do you find yourself assuming everyone in fandom is a girl (cause I know I do)? Is this particularly true of Phoenix Wright fandom, or no? For those of you who're on other sites like CR, does it differ here on LJ? Are there any dudes in the reading audience who would like to weigh in?

Current Mood: sleepy
Tuesday, January 13th, 2009
12:56 am
[alienchrist]
Why I Fic
As the creator of a couple of rather well-received Ace Attorney fanfics, I’ve found that the reaction of my friends has been not “why do you write it?” but “why don’t you turn that talent to your own works?” This is the biggest ‘problem’ I’ve run into as a ficcer.Collapse )

Current Mood: sleepy
Thursday, January 8th, 2009
1:32 am
[sabinelagrande]
[MOD]
Let's hear a round of applause for:

Derivative Month!
This month, we'll be focusing on fandom and fanworks. This week, we ask Why (Not) Fic?

Fanfiction can be an oddly divisive topic among fen. If you write it, what do you get out of it? If you don't, what don't you see in it? What's special- or not so special- about writing GS fic? Fanartists in the crowd- we want to hear from you too.

The tentative schedule for January and February is as follows: Read more...Collapse )
Thursday, January 1st, 2009
8:10 pm
[slaygirl]
New person taking advantage of the free-for-all. Yay?
Hi. My name's Dal, and I'm notorious for overthinking...everything; I bring an observation and a question regarding 4-1. As a result, this is teeming with spoilers for that case.

Anyway, I don't know if I'm alone in my thoughts, here, but I found the first case of Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney to contain a kind of large plot hole - I don't know if I missed something somewhere along the line, though. This got a bit long and (as I said) riddled with 4-1 spoilers, so under the cut it goes.

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Sunday, December 28th, 2008
9:18 pm
[mykaa]
Did I hear free for all?
Total newbie here. I was told to join by comm mommy. It took about one second to convince me.

Yesterday I saw the spoiler synopsis for the Gyakuten musical and had this stupid idea:

Musical Spoilers - copy/pasted from a 4AM LJ postCollapse )
Thursday, December 25th, 2008
11:04 pm
[sabinelagrande]
[MOD]
We at gyaku_meta (and by we, I mean me) would like to wish you (and by you, I mean sarahofcroydon, and fanbeatsman, and valentinite, and miss_prince, and alienchrist, and bf_nightingale and pyrasaur, and quadrifons, and anybody else who's lurked or commented in our illustrious three months together) A Very Apollo Christmas.

What can we say about Apollo? He seems to be a sweetheart and kind of a douchebag all in the same breath. What are his motivations, if not to be like Phoenix? Unfortunately, the game seems to leave us with more questions than answers (series hook or bad writing? You make the call!). Where are his adoptive parents? Who is his father? Is Phoenix going to get around to telling him about Trucy before something unfortunate happens (in his pants)?

On a further note, there will be no posted theme next week (December 31 to January 6), because your everlovin' mod will be far too drunk on New Year's Eve to post. I mean busy. Busy is what I meant. You know what that means! Free for All! We'll resume regularly scheduled programming on January 7.
Sunday, December 21st, 2008
2:41 pm
[sabinelagrande]
[MOD]
Your illustrious mod has crawled out of her post-finals debauch to bring you this update. How are you?

This week, at gyaku_meta, we muse On Villains, or You Gonna Get Ganted.

This is your chance for any and all ponderings and meditations on the less than moral characters of PW and AJ. Is anyone else inexplicably terrified of Manfred Von Karma? However did Gant end up being, well, Gant? Is Zak a villain, some kind of antihero, or just a total asshole?
Wednesday, December 10th, 2008
9:15 pm
[sabinelagrande]
[MOD]
Remember when this comm used to update on Wednesdays? Those were good times.

This week, your increasingly mellow mod reminds you to Save the Edgeworth, Save the World.

We've been shunned by him, chased after him, declared him dead to us, and even been him. But how much do we really know about everybody's favorite (or not) Ensemble Darkhorse, Miles Edgeworth? Can we separate our perceptions of him from Phoenix's? Where in the world did he go to after GS3? What are your hopes for Edgeworth's development in Gyakuten Kenji?
Saturday, December 6th, 2008
6:09 pm
[sabinelagrande]
[MOD]
Hey hey hey, it's a new month here at gyaku_meta!

Let's have a round of applause for

Character Driven Month!
We'll be switching things up a bit this month, with an emphasis on characterization. Up first, we wonder Lawyer to Hobo: What the Hell?

We've been through four whole games with/as Phoenix now. What do we know about him? What don't we know about him? How in the world are we do deal with the disconnect between GS3 and GS4? Was it a good move that hurt, or just a hurtful move? Is Phoenix just our avatar, or something more?
Friday, November 28th, 2008
4:17 pm
[sabinelagrande]
[MOD]
I have crawled out of my post-Thanksgiving food coma to post this entry. Oof.

This week, we tackle Kurain vs. Gramarye.

So, it seems we've got two central dynasties here, doesn't it? In the first three games, we have the matrilineage of Kurain; in Apollo Justice, the mostly male meritocracy (or whatever the opposite of a meritocracy is. Viceocracy?) of Magnifi Gramarye. How does this change things? Does it? And how many m's does Gramarye have, anyway (I'll be damned if I can remember)?
Wednesday, November 19th, 2008
11:55 pm
[sabinelagrande]
[MOD]
This week (and even on time!), gyaku_meta wonders why It's a Twin Sister Thing.

Multiple births must be awfully common in Japan LA the Ace Attorney world, right? Through out the series, we have all these sets of twins popping up- Dahlia and Iris, Mimi and Ini. What should we make of them? Is it just a part of the general theme of duplicity that runs through the games, or something more? And if not twins, why are there so many sibling pairs? And why are they all female, anyway?
Saturday, November 15th, 2008
3:17 am
[sabinelagrande]
[MOD]
Apologies, guys- grad school sort of chewed me up and spit me out this week. But I am here!

This week, we tackle an important question: Mia and Maya: Badasses, or Total Badasses?

From the very first case, Mia is always there to help. We see Mia develop and grow throughout the series- backwards, but still- but she's always always a badass. The same goes for Maya. She's willing to take a bullet (ahaha, did you see what I did there?) for Phoenix, but she's very much a power in her own right- she is the Master of Kurain, after all. Where would we be with the most important women in Phoenix's life, other than dead in a ditch?
Monday, November 10th, 2008
1:24 pm
[sabinelagrande]
[MOD] Recap post!
This is the index of all discussions and essays at gyaku_meta. This list will be updated once a month. LAST UPDATE: 10 November 2008.

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12:20 am
[miss_prince]
Blahblahblah I see femslash everywhere :B
Kind of late, I hope that's alright? I didn't really get a good chance to write until now.

Femslash is a subject near and dear to my heart. I love it, and I can never get enough. The Ace Attorney-verse is full of women -- not just women, but interesting women, with their own motivations and goals. Women who have a variety of meaningful relationships with other women. And on top of that, the series is set in such a way that it's perfectly reasonable that many of these women could meet, even if they're never seen together in canon. There is a lot to work with here, and so I'd like to take a look at some of the untapped femslash potential of the fandom.

This got pretty long.Collapse )

You can probably see the way this degenerated as it got later. :B

So, guys, tell us what you ship, what I've forgotten, what makes you like or dislike a certain couple, your personal unusual favorites and why you see them working! Tell us what pairings you wish had more fic, and the kind of themes and scenarios you'd like to see! Tell me I'm nuts and have too much time on my hands! Let's spread the girl/girl love.
Friday, November 7th, 2008
4:48 am
[sabinelagrande]
[Mod]
Apologies for the lateness, my darlings, but such is the nature of graduate school. :(

Anyway, a new month, a new theme! Please give it up and put your hands together for

The Ladies' Month!
Don't let the name mislead you (we need some equal time after slash month, amirite?); we're interested in all aspects of gender this month. This week, it's Phoenix Wright NOW for a general overview of the issue.

In the first three games, Phoenix surrounds himself with strong female characters. As has been pointed out, the games seem to pass the Bechdel test, a disappointingly rare achievement. What do we think about that? Can we see them as a feminist text? Is the story really even Phoenix's, or is it about the matrilineage of Kurain? There's always the reverse of this issue, as well- where does this leave men? Whatever do we do with Apollo Justice (and will we ever tire of asking that question? I certainly won't)?

Let me say that our first month has been awesome, guys, and I'm hella proud. Check back later for a recap post.
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